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Update Libyen: abc über Niz, den ich schon mehrmals erwähnt habe.


Fast alle, die sich gerade mit Libyen beschäftigen, warten auf DIE Nachricht. Es kann aber alles nur Vermutung sein. Fest steht, dass vieles in Libyen in Bewegung ist, heute.

Ein Link zu einer Diskussion über die deutschen Medien in der Libyen-Berichterstattung bei Al Jazeera
Es scheint, alle haben beschlossen, inklusive Publikum, Libyen nur noch am Rande wahrzunehmen.

Wenigstens eine gute Notiz in der NOZ nach den Friedensgesprächen über den arabischen Aufbruch.

Neue-OZ: Prof. Dr. Cilja Harders

Ihrer Einschätzung nach kann der Erfolg eine Ermutigung für alle Völker in der arabischen Welt sein. Doch aktuelle Protestbewegungen in anderen Ländern der Region wie in Syrien, dem Jemen, in Libyen oder auch in den palästinensischen Gebieten besäßen unterschiedliche, nicht vergleichbare Strukturen. Was allerdings all diesen gemein sei, sei die Abneigung und die Empörung gegen die Rolle, die Europa und der Westen jahrzehntelang eingenommen hätten. Ben Amara ging auf die Verstrickung Europas in die Machenschaften der alten Regimes ein. „Sie haben sich an der Macht halten können, weil sie hofiert und unterstützt wurden.“ Noch in den ersten Tagen der Aufstände in Tunesien habe die ehemalige Kolonialmacht Frankreich der Staatsführung angeboten, Truppen zur Niederschlagung zu senden. Gleichwohl gebe es für beide Seiten die Chance, einen neuen Dialog zu beginnen. Seine Heimat sei auf politische und wirtschaftliche Unterstützung angewiesen, damit demokratische Strukturen wachsen können

One Hundred Days - Ein Gedicht von "Moussa Koussa"

Niz aus Tripolis

So könnte man aus Tripolis berichten, aber soweit bekommt man solche Berichte nur von Niz, dessen Text gerade im Radio tribute fm in Bengazhi vorgelesen wurde, Kommentatoren bei Al Jazeera haben das Skript gepostet:
Als Kommentar zum Post: Libya's forgotten frontline

Pie_fr 2 hours ago
**Confirmed updates from our valuable source in Tripoli.**

1-
Reliable reports that Ayshas house and Muatisms house in Tripoli, Al Hani District and Al Dul Street respectively, will be bombed. Loop warnings to military over past 3 days.

Security, usually plentiful at the gates, have now entirely disappeared. Local petrol station has now closed. Neighbours have NOT been officially informed but have been informed via leaks! If indeed the targets are hit, the regime knew about it in advance, and neighbours were not informed, is this a war crime / crime against humanity?
(tbc...)


Pie_fr 2 hours ago
**Confirmed updates from our valuable source in Tripoli.**
(cont)

2-
Have personally spoken to a high ranking military official today who has informed me that 2 nights ago there was a fire fight between security forces within the compound of Bab Alazaziyah. Very similar to a previous incidents some 6 weeks ago or more. Exact response to the clash - immediate instigation of Benghazi rumour on State TV and orders to celebrate. He confirms the shooting did not involve activists but was rather an internal affair!

3-
Spoke to a second military officer this afternoon who came to find me to pass on the info that there is news between his ranks that a plan was being finalised to send troops by sea to Misrata and Benghazi. This was before the hit on the navy facilities. There is suggestion that NATO might have received intelligence and therefore attacked the navy. He confirms that this plan is no longer in operation.



Pie_fr 2 hours ago
**Confirmed updates from our valuable source in Tripoli.**(cont)

4-
Heavy talk on the streets of Tripoli of annoyance that reporters are reporting Tripoli as 'normal'. This in light of very recent reports by SKY and BBC suggesting "Tripoli is normal".
This was discussed at our meeting today and the consensus of our group is:

Reporters can only report what they see. Quite rightly, Tripoli currently does not appear to be a city at war. But suggestion of 'normality' must be qualified. Normality is relative. To know what the norm is for Tripoli you must have a baseline based on a pre-uprising assessment.

Reporters should note that in Tripoli, shops normally close at 2 or 3 am in main shopping districts. Ben Ashour is known at times to 'never sleep'. Now shops close soon after Mughreb prayer.

Reporters should also take note that whilst shops are indeed open, 70% are closed. Of those which are open, some have been harassed to open (our family shop included - story below), some open because it is their only lifeline and can not afford to join the boycott, some are loyalists, some open as an excuse to gather (including key shops where activist meetings take place in key districts).

Reporters should also note that the university (huge) is borderline empty! That schools are borderline empty. It is the middle of term time. My nieces and nephews and young cousins have not gone to school for months. They are not the exception to the rule.

There are checkpoints all over town which intensify in number and in paranoia after dark.
There is gunfire every night without exception.

So whilst the consensus is that reporters are forgiven for reporting normality, to those of us that know 'normal Tripoli', it is far from accurate.

Everyone, however, understands the difficulty and restrictions the media are under.

Pie_fr 2 hours ago
**Confirmed updates from our valuable source in Tripoli.**(cont)
5-
The story of our family shop.

As part of wide spread boycott, our shop decided to close after 17th Feb. We were approached, like many along our row, and asked why we were closed. When we responded that it was fear from the instability we were ordered to open in the next 24 hours. When the security men returned 2 days later they asked why we had still not opened. We replied that there was a staff shortage. They told us, in no uncertain terms, to open even if 'the shop is empty and you sell nothing'. We were told that the shop MUST NOT remain closed under any circumstances. For a while our shop opened. When i realised this i approached the family members who make the decisions and said that it was unacceptable that we open our own shop whilst i go around preaching a city wide boycott. I was told that recently we had been approached by security men and told, 'thank you for opening up and showing your loyalty to your country, of course if you decide to close again we will take the shop and open it for you. Have a good day'. This is not a unique conversation. This will have happened thousands of times over in tripoli.
My reply was that we should continue to give excuses to buy time but ultimately MUST close our shop. If they confiscate our shop then so be it. We are fighting to liberate a nation....with it we will liberate our shop.
Our shop now remains closed.

Many people around Tripoli find themselves in similar dilemmas. Some have not got the conviction to carry through with a boycott. Others cannot financially afford to. Many are overcome by the harassment. And yet still.....the majority of shops in Tripoli are shut!

Fashloum, Ben ashour and Zaweeyat al Dahmani form a kind of shopping triangle district. In these 3 areas 80% of
shops are shut. If anyone wants video evidence i can provide it, along with google map images to show where the streets are.

6-
There continue to be increasing, daily, armed attacks in Tripoli. Armed attacks in the past few days that i can CONFIRM are Soug al Jomaa and Al Hadba.

Special thanks to Niz!

Das Ganze bei Facebook mit Kommentaren:
Libya Youth Moevement

Funkstille

Wer wissen möchte, was sich zur Zeit in der libyschen Hauptstadt Tripolis entwickelt, kann die gängigen Medien vergessen. Eine der wichtigsten Nachrichtenquellen aus dem Zentrum ist Niz, so sein Pseudonym. Seine Berichte, zu hören bei Tribute Fm, oder festgehalten über Twitter, die letzte Zusammenfassung:

1- Clashes between armed anti-regime activists and katiba forces in Shara3 Jamhuriya (Jamhuriya Street)

2- Similar clashes in Gergarish

3- Similar, again, in Mansoora District

4- Man wearing military uniform killed outside the petrol station at Al Hani District. Reportedly killed by security forces. Apparent clash between security.

5- Gun fire was heard all over Tripoli. Some, admittedly, sounded celebratory. Some appeared to be exchanges of fire, with shouting and screaming.

NB: The above are all incidents which were witnessed by our group members. There are countless other reports around Tripoli, but we are unable to verify them, so we will not mention them.

Ibn Omar

from niz on #tripoli #libya: 100% CONFIRMED NEWS FROM TRIPOLI - 19th MAY 2011.

Einiges was er berichtet, ist in Videos auf Youtube und woanders festgehalten. Und anders als die Journalisten im "Gefängnis"-Hotel Rixos, bewegt er sich auf eigene Faust durch die Stadt.

Und das englischsprachige Internet Radio Tribute FM in Benghazi hat im Moment Probleme, über Twitter:

TributeFM Tribute FM
Sorry everyone, Our Server appears to have been attacked by "Some people"

Libyen updated

Update 14. Mai, ein Kommentar von Salwinder bei Al Jazeera Live Blog,

I see in the news this morning NATO are stating that they do not need to hunt down Ghadafi specifically as regime forces are melting away fast. Yet another prediction from Gerhard earlier this week that has come to pass - he suggested that by the weekend the media would begin reporting on the collapse of Ghadafi's troops. He also informed us days ago ahead of time of NATO's renewed focus on Tripoli to target elite brigade equipment and C&C, as well as the final destruction of Ghadafi infrastructure in Brega as evidenced by yesterday's airstrike on the C&C target there.

Gerhard also talked earlier this week about defections of senior commanders to happen by this weekend once their families safety was secured. Hopefully this has been sorted and we hear about these defections shortly.

I think there is no doubt now that we are in the endgame and as far as I can tell Ghadafi no longer functions as a leader anymore - not politically, militarily or economically. So he is redundant now and regime insiders know this. The question is how long this phase lasts.

Ich bleibe dabei, solche Infos hat es so noch nicht bei militärischen Konflikten gegeben, jedenfalls soweit ich weiß. Nicht mal von sogenannten "Embedded Journalists".


Der Krieg in Libyen dauert an, aber die mediale Berichterstattung ist dürftig. Seit Wochen wird deutlich, dass die Journalisten da unten nur ein Teilbild liefern können. Ansonsten ist man vor allem auf die Kommentare und Linkverweise beim Al-Jazeera-Live-Blog angewiesen, um ein aktuelles Bild aus ganz Libyen zu bekommen. Allerdings laufen dort auch tausende Kommentare täglich auf, und man muss sondieren, wer verlässliche Infos weiter gibt.

Der arabische Frühling, leider unter weitesgehendem Ausschluß der Öffentlichkeit, nicht nur in Syrien. Und das liegt auch daran, dass wir bei internationalen und anderen Konflikten zu oft nur uns selber meinen. Unsere Sicht auf die Welt.


Update 10. Mai
Ich bin etwas zurückhaltend mit meiner Meinung, aber dieser Kommentar beim Al Jazeera Live Blog trifft es:

globeline 2 minutes ago
I looked back to the Al jazeera blog feb 17 and i found this:

Richard Pithouse argues in the latest edition of Pambazuka Online, that the revolts in North Africa and the Middle East might be towards advancing democratic values but the struggles do not seek to replicate American or European values. Pithouse argues that considering the relationship the United States and Europe have had with despots in the region, "they have no claim of moral leadership in this world"
We cannot know the trajectories of the uprisings that have swept North Africa and the Middle East. But one thing is for sure. Whatever pompous claims to the contrary come out of Washington and Brussels, these are not revolts for American or European values. On the contrary they are a direct challenge to those values. They are revolts against a global power structure that is formed by an international alliance of elites with one of its key principles being the idea, the racist idea, that Arabs are ‘not yet ready’ for democracy.

und Libyen Youth Movement auf Facebook.
Tribute FM - Radio auf Englisch aus Benghazi
Englisch, eine Sprache, die aus dem öffentlichen Raum in Libyen gebannt worden war.

Update 17. Mai Al Jazeera hat einen neunen Blog aufgemacht, aber die Kommentarfunktion weggelassen. Das führt zu heftigen Protesten. Eine Reaktion, Michael Grant:

Every student in the university and colleges where I work here in France has been told about the Comments section of this blog, which is surely a historic phenomenon in the history of journalism just as the Libyan Revolution is in the history of the struggle for human rights. To get rid of the section now is either a ludicrous mistake on the part of AJE editorial board or it is cowing to some Influential Person. "Comments" might be a mess, it might be massively trolled by daffi agents, FSB or ex-Milosevic yobs but it's got its finger on the pulse like no other news organ so please AlJazeera, keep your reputation and keep the Comments section - your stature can only grow by doing so. Where else can we read postings from insiders and other well-informed people like Gerhard, Colin, Glen, Tara, crazy Moussa K and those brave Libyans?

Libyen -Update

Dieser Gerhard Heinz bei Al Jazeera-Live-Blog ist ein echtes Phänomen. Er weist manchmal auf seine ostdeutsche Herkunft hin. Warum können andere solche Infos nicht verbreiten?

the situation inside libyen army
daffi have handle out a letter to higher officers from front comands
if they change sides their famalies where killed incl.their parents.
brega
daffis son tell the troops there, to attack adj. imidiatly
troops send back a long list of things they need to be an army.
most of their belarus and foreign advisers dead since yesterday hit.
comunikation with tripoli via letter and motorcycle.
misrata
airport will fall to ff after tonights aktion
nato will step up the raids to tripoli
the fear inside the goverment rise ,anybody look for an exit now
a lot of infos coming out of tripoli from people who want to make friends for future.
towns between misrata and tripoli by night under controll from ff.
western ff make progress to wipe daffi out,this night french will work intensiv.
high aktivity on us airbase in europ

In einem jüngsten Kommentar benennt er seine Quellen. Er habe Zugang zu den militärischen Insider-Infos durch seine Firma. Darf aber nicht alles posten. Nun denn. Mein Gefühl sagt, er flunkert wenig oder gar nicht.

Warum Libyen hier, auch ein Grund: Ich habe mal eine Stellungnahme für die NOZ abgegeben, abgedruckt. In der Großen Straße. Als die USA Ziele in Tripolis bombardiert hatten. Das war in der 80ern. Ich hatte dagegen argumentiert.
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Update 30. April
Vorgestern hat ebenfalls ein Post die Kommentare zum Libya Live Blog von Al Jazeera behandelt:
Fact and propaganda: war and real-time social-media

At present there are well over 6000 comments each day on those LiveBlogs. Almost all of them come from people with strong opinions, of course. Nothing is certain; one of the few things that does seem certain is that quite a few people there are not what they claim. Yet between them the commenters do seem to have a surprising range of skills, experience and information. For example, one of them, ‘Gerhard Heinz’, does appear to have near-real-time access to a satellite-feed, because much of his information, if opinionated, is precise, specific, and usually subsequently proven as fact ...

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Jedenfalls habe ich so eine militärische Informationsquelle, die fast in Echtzeit stattfindet, bei Blogs aus Krisenregionen noch nicht gesehen. Man muss ja berücksichtigen, dass er mehrmals am Tag berichtet und sogar Ereignisse ankündigt.

Hier noch ein neuer Photostream live2Tripoli

Update 1. Mai
C.J. Chivers berichtet aus Misurata

Update 3. Mai
Das halte ich mal fest. Nachrichten aus Libyen kommen spärlich. Gerhard Heinz meint beim Libya Live Blog:

updates
there is going something on in the moment.
daffis troops are complete out of comunikation even uhf is disturbe.
the attacks and movements thei make in the moment are from kompanie level and without any koordination or tactical sence. on the other side a lot of my sources say wait until this night to me.
the whole thing locks like the time followed by unkondi.surrender and exit from daffi or his sons
chance 50/50

Morgen sind wir schlauer. Libyen ist vorübergehend aus den Nachrichten. Das nervt. Die Kurzlebigkeit der medialen Aufmerksamkeitsspanne ist kein neues Problem, das ist alt und erinnert mich an die Zeiten vor der Auflösung der Sowjetunion. Mein Fazit. Man muss sich selbst um Informationen kümmern. Traditionelle Medien haben da wieder ihre Relevanz-Hürde. Heute gehörte Libyen nicht dazu. Reflektieren über Osama bin Laden war wohl wichtiger.

Update 5. Mai:
ein bemerkenswerter Kommentar bei Libya Live Blog von Al Jazeera:

Some of the key advice NATO is providing is keeping the press away or quiet from sensitive operations - real time TV only helps Gadaffi. So when you hear or see little do not assume nothing happening. The more quiet it is be pleased the FF are working professionally - ...

Misrata II

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Dieses Video zeigt Panzer der Gadaffi-Truppen, die wohl wegen der Luftangriffe in Misurata in Häusern geparkt wurden, um von dort aus die Innenstadt zu beschiessen.

Update:
Häuserkampf
Ich werde das mal als Bookmark benutzen. Kann sich jeder selbst eine Meinung darüber bilden.

Update II Das westliche Libyen
Wikipedia: Battles of the Nafusa Mountains, wird aktualisiert.

Update III
Libya February 17th 2011
Einige aktuelle Übersetzungen und Quellenzusammenfassungen.

Misrata

Es scheint, dass Gaddafis Truppen aus dem Zentrum Misuratahs verschwunden sind. Nachdem zwei Journalisten und vor kurzem schon wieder ein Netizen-Journalist in Libyen umgekommen sind, drehen andere unvermindert weiter und laden unermüdlich ihre Videos ins Internet hoch. Rohfassungen und wenig überarbeitet.

Im Zentrum die umkämpfte Tripolis-Straße, eine Gegend in der Sniper, Scharfschützen eingesetzt worden sein sollen. Die Aufständischen sollen einen Überraschungsangriff gegen diese gestartet haben. Das Ergebnis ist die Rückeroberung einzelner Gebäude. So jedenfalls die Berichte. Und das klingt etwas anders als die gängigen Medien wie Spiegel-Online schildern.

Khalid Ahmed Alghirani Remembered

Wenn man mal den ganzen Meinungsmüll auf der Kommentarseite des Libyen-Blogs von Al Jazeera beiseite räumt, bleiben einige Beobachter der Szene in Misrata, die ständig neue Situationsbeschreibungen abliefern. Ganz auffällig die Kommentare von Gerhard Heinz. Der muss Insiderwissen über militärische Operationen haben. So scheint es jedenfalls.
Libya Live Blog - April 22

Gerhard Heinz:

my last comment up to the evening
freelibya2011write simply correct gaddafi -jugend
i write in the beginning of this blog
there is a point a army colapse
this point is coming now
you will see things speed up dramaticly
east have a stop on press information about different reasons ,but not bad one for ff.
sirte is neutralised .
west ff get control back
misrata will consulidate today and daffis troops are step back
we will see what in tripoli start this weekend ,but i am realy optimistic about this.
have a nice day
i come back at 20.00

Mal sehen wie die Prognosen ausgehen.

Noch ein Video:


Update: Gerhard Heinz stellt eine weitere Prognose auf, und ich denke, er liegt da richtig. Die sogenannten Pro-Gaddafi-Stämme werden die Seite wechseln, und nicht wie es in den Medien heisst, selbst möglicherweise in Krieg gegen die Aufständischen eingreifen:

here are talks between high people in libya since weeks.(and some people in germany manage it)
remember my comment about daffi is not good for buisiness.
nearly all this people waiting to a point they can join the winning side without a risk
this point is comming this week,
ff from east are sill in the east becouse this people from other citys dont want to loss their influenz and position in the future.
they see now very clear that there is no future with the daffi clan,only a lack of money and bad buisiness,
they change sides now and will manage the situation together.
no place for daffi in libyas future

23. April, einer von vielen seine heutigen Kommentare beim Blog von Al Jazeera.